Remember The Terry Bowden Interview In 2001?

With the recent Auburn situation, it seems like a good idea to take a look back at recent Auburn history. Remember Terry Bowden and his sudden resignation from Auburn University? Do you also remember an interview he did in 2001 where he openly talks about Auburn recruiting violations and “pay-for-play” players? Now seems like a good time to take a second look at that interview and remember what he claimed was going on at Auburn. Interview Below:

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Interview with Terry Bowden April 24, 2001, at his Loachapoka ranch.

Also present was Paul Davis. After our interview, Bowden was expecting a visit from Dr. Muse that same day at his ranch. Former Auburn University football coach Terry Bowden says the program he inherited in 1993 included an elaborate system of paying star high school players up to $15,000 to sign with Auburn and $600 per month while on the team.

In a lengthy interview from the ranch he still owns in Loachapoka, Bowden alleged that the “pay-for-play” system was orchestrated by powerful AU Board of Trustees member Bobby Lowder and carried out by former assistant coach Wayne Hall.

Bowden said the corruption extended to former head coach Pat Dye, and included $30,000 to Atlanta attorneys for Gene Jelks in order to sustain the former University of Alabama player while he leveled charges of wrongdoing in the Crimson Tide program.

Bowden said he learned of the major NCAA infractions within days of being named Auburn ’s head coach, but kept quiet while trying to clean up the program from within.” I broke the rules,” Bowden said. “I told Wayne Hall to pay it off to the players we already had and it will never happen again.

I was hiding a dirty secret.” Bowden said the payment of players can be traced to Lowder, who Bowden said is the unquestioned leader of the AU athletic department.” Nothing was done without Lowder knowing.” Wayne Hall and Pat Dye paid $30,000 for lawyers in Atlanta to keep Gene Jelks talking.

This came from the money that had been used to pay Auburn players.In 1991 when I was at Samford, Wayne Hall called to ask about a job for Katherine Lowder at Samford. Bobby Lowder then called and he said he would contribute money to Samford equal to Katherine’s salary as long as we didn’t tell her where the money came from. Katherine and my wife became good friends.

Then the Eric Ramsey thing hit. One day Katherine sticks her head in my office door and says, “Dye is leaving and my dad wants you to be coach at Auburn .” Dye resigned a week later. Lowder made him resign because Lowder was sure Auburn was going to get the death penalty if he didn’t resign.

I met with Lowder, Mike McCarter and Ruel Russell at Ruel’s office in Birmingham . They asked me all the questions, and I thought it was a job interview. Then they said, we need to get you an interview. They got John Montgomery Sr. to officially recommend me to be interviewed. The night before the interview, Lowder told me “here’s how the interview will go.”

This was three hours on the phone like a lawyer prepping his client. There were six candidates – Larry Smith, Mack Brown, Dick Sheridan, Pat Sullivan, Wayne Hall and me. Everyone agreed that whoever the coach was going to be, the decision had to be unanimous. I think Lowder wanted Wayne Hall, but he knew he couldn’t get him approved. I was the backup.

I was the last to interview, then the committee immediately took a vote that day. Somebody was opposed to every candidate until they voted on me last. That’s how I got the job. Lowder said he wanted me to hire Wayne Hall as an assistant.

Tommy (Bowden, Terry’s brother and a member of the Pat Dye staff) told me that if you wanted anything done you gotta go through Hall. My second day on the job (athletic director Mike) Lude said “you can’t hire Hall.” But then I understand Lowder called and said that if I couldn’t hire Hall we will find a new president.

So I hired Wayne Hall. One week on the job, Hall came in with a ledger of players who have been paid, who paid the money, how much money and when it was paid. He said we’ve still got 9-12 players that we’re paying $600 per month.

We paid then $12,000-$15,000 to sign. We sign about four every year that we pay.(Former assistant coach Rodney) Garner paid most of the players. He was paid when he was a player at Auburn.(Stacey) Danley is the assistant compliance guy, and he was paid when he was a player. I broke the rules. I said pay it off, and it will never happen again.

Hall said “OK, but you will change your mind.” Katherine came to Auburn as my assistant, but she worked for Colonial. We were real close. I told Lowder “We have cash all over.” Lowder said “I told Wayne not to collect more than we had to have to pay the players.” Wayne had a safe in his house wherehe kept the money. Within two weeks of me being hired they told me about paying Jelks.

Nothing was done without Lowder knowing. I will go under oath and say that Lowder looked me in the eyes and said, “I didn’t want Wayne to collect more money than we needed to pay the players.” I was hiding a dirty secret. We were paying (star running back and current Washington Redskin) Steve Davis and his cousin the fullback.

It took about two years to get it all cleaned up. Most the guys we were paying weren’t any good and weren’t helping us win games. Steve Davis was the exception.

Here is how it works, fifty to 60 men give $5,000 per year. Wayne would collect it. These are all good men. They didn’t ask questions. The coach tells them that everybody cheats so we have to. My first two years we went 11-0 and 9-0-1.

My third year, (assistants Jimbo) Fisher and (Rick) Trickett said, “Hall is on the phone a lot with Lowder.” I thought he was going back to cheating. I told Hall that when the season was over he needed to move on.

I told Garner that I was taking him off coaching for a year. That was the beginning of the end for me. Jimmy Rane was in on all of this. He is high maintenance. Three current Board of Trustees members gave cash to players – Rane, Spina and McWhorter.

Jimmy is a wannabe, a jock sniffer, a loose cannon. He wants to be involved in everything. After I fired Wayne , (athletic director David) Housel came on. I don’t dislike David, but David would get his feelings hurt if I called Lowder.

I told David what Wayne was doing. Lowder said (of Housel) “He’s not a good AD, but he’s my AD.” David Dideon compliance guy, Jay Jacobs parking passes, Tim Jackson tickets. All are GAF members. Gerald Leschuck was keeping Lowder informed.

By my last year I’m having my house checked for bugs. Danny Rane (son of Jimmy Rane and a walk-on Auburn player) was giving our practice tapes to Mississippi State , our opponent. Tommy Tuberville had been promised the job if we lost to Alabama in the game when we kicked the field goal here to win.

After that season, I thought about taking the University of Texas job, but (Governor Fob) James was getting rid of Lowder. Then Lowder stayed on the Board and I was stuck. I thought then that I needed to win one more year and get out.

When I got here Lowder said don’t talk to Muse, he’s weak and his wife is a n—-r lover. Lowder told me John Denson was trying to kill him. The last week I was coach: Monday – The Huntsville Tmes runs a story that says an undisclosed sources says that Bowden has lost the confidence of the Board of Trustees and he must win four of the last five games to keep his job.

I lied to my staff and told them that I had talked to Lowder, the story was not true and everything was OK. I was trying to keep up morale. Tuesday – (Defensive coordinator Bill) Oliver brings a hidden tape recorder into our coaches meeting. I believe this was because Lowder wanted to have proof that I told a lie about talking to him the day before. Wednesday – I had a 7 a.m. meeting with Housel.

He asked if I had seen the article in the Huntsville Times. He said he had talked to Lowder, and Lowder wanted me to know that he was the undisclosed source.

He said he also wants you to know that he doesn’t care if you win five of your next six, you’re out. David said the only way I would keep my job was if Fob James wins (the governor’s race). Thursday – I brought in my lawyer, Ricky Davis, and said to David that I wanted to resign.

He called Lowder while we were in his office and we worked out a settlement. Muse didn’t even know. They were using Oliver. They were never going to hire him. When I resigned it shocked them.

Interview with Terry Bowden—

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Then in 2006, ESPN wrote the following article about Auburn Board of Trustee member Bobby Lowder. The article contains some pretty good stuff that goes right along with the ’01 Terry Bowden interview above.

Bowden refused to be interviewed for this story, citing a confidentiality agreement he signed as part of a contract settlement that forbids him from making “negative or derogatory” comments “toward Auburn, the Auburn athletic department or its employees, or the Auburn Board of Trustees, or each other.” By keeping quiet, Bowden protected a $620,000 payment, as well as an $825,000 lakeside home and two cars.

If you feel like you need to read more about Auburn and their troubled past. Then check out the book “‘Seventh Muse’ details Muse’s time at AU“.

ESPN ran this story in 2003 claiming that the above information from 2001 was “off the record”

It seems very interesting to see how the Auburn rumors/news/stories of today seem to be very similar to the Auburn rumors/news/stories of the past.

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21 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by Hicks Poor Jr. on March 31, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    yall are just jealous we're national champions and everybody is trying to knock us off.

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  2. [...] to clandestinely replace coach Tommy Tuberville in 2003 and reportedly drove coach Terry Bowden to have his house checked for electronic bugs. (There have been more than a few efforts to link Lowder to the pay-for-pay scandal that erupted [...]

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  3. Posted by Sam on August 17, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    can you give a link or credible source to back this hack interview report?

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    • Posted by illegalshift on August 18, 2011 at 1:17 pm

      Are the 3 links at the bottom (including the one to a book written about the subject) of the post not enough?

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      • Posted by Jay on October 18, 2011 at 12:40 pm

        What links? The only links I see are other illegalshift articles and bama message board posts. You can't provide credible sources because this "interview" is fabricated. It's fiction. It's bunk. It's also immature and irresponsible of you to present it as anything other than such.

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        • Posted by illegalshift on October 18, 2011 at 3:30 pm

          Not the "Related Articles", but the 3 stories that are linked to in the actual post.
          2 of them are links to ESPN articles about the subject with some of the same information. The other link is to a book written about the subject. All the links are right above the poll.

          We've also corroborated the story with the Opelika-Auburn News editor who published the tape.

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  4. A few thoughts on this story.1) Everybody just hold your hoesrs. The SEC, NCAA, and Auburn have known about these allegations by the ex-MSU qb since JULY. Who in their right mind would pay a player or sign a player who was knowingly being paid by a third party to begin with if they already knew there was a story out there from at least one other university?? It would be the epitome of stupidity.2) Who would PLAY their star QB for 9 games if they knew since yes JULY that there was some potential for this thing to blow up. The ONLY way AU knows about this and still plays Cam is if they do their homework and come to a pretty solid decision that there was no wrongdoing on their part or the Newton family’s.3) On that note who would LET Cam play if there was any real indication that he/Auburn was guilty of the same at the time the MSU stuff was made known to them (again July)? MSU reported everything to the SEC before the season started. The SEC has every bit as much motivation that AU has to not get egg on it’s face. None of this would bode well for the conference as a whole if this was allowed to percolate through the majority of the season and Cam’s eligibility was even remotely in question. I would expect that someone would have made the strong suggestion to bench Cam had there been any indication to the parties that mattered (NCAA, SEC) of his breaking any rules.4) WHO THE HELL WOULD HAVE PAID CAM NEWTON SIX FIGURES PRE-SEASON???? This is a question I have not heard raised yet. If you think back to this summer, there were as many nay-sayers about Cam Newton as there were people who thought he could be something special. Let me qualify that. Even the people who thought he could be something special (myself included) had NO CLUE that he would be mentioned by many as possibly the current greatest player in the country merely a few games into the season. Gus is on record saying that. In fact, if the Auburn staff is to be believed, it’s worth noting that there was a legitimate competition for the starting qb job at AU this summer. It only makes sense. Obviously Cam was signed because of his physical attributes, but if he can’t be tackled in practice, what truly set him apart from Trotter, Caudle, and Mosely (all three can throw and are reported to be able to run this offense fairly well)? Other than the speculation that he would be more elusive than the other three the competition did not have a clear winner for much of the summer. Additionally, if Cam is being paid, why not Mike Dyer? He was by far the most talked about recruit Auburn had this season. Or Shon Coleman? Or Trovon Reed? My point is, at the time LOI’s were signed, there was no indication that Reed or Dyer wouldn’t be THE playmaker of the season for AU. Under the logic that Newton was worth $200,000 to someone, AU must be shelling out about $5,000,000 a year to secure players they think might be valuable additions to the team.5) The willingness of just about every media outlet/personality to pick up a story like this and run with it is infuriating to me. It’s irresponsible at best. If the allegations end up being true, pick it up from there. Report on it now but leave the secondary allegations and the stories about how Cam is the next Reggie Bush and shouldn’t win the Heisman out of it. The fact of the matter is that if this ends up being a deal where Cam nor his family nor Auburn did any wrong at all, the damages of such speculation over the course of however long it takes to figure out could still be devastating. I particularly dislike Jay Barker’s handling of everything on the Opening Drive. Listened on my way in this morning and Jay’s comments were about as inflammatory as you could get without flat out saying that Cam was paid. I usually expect more out of him when it comes to character judgments etc. What I’d really like to hear is some reason out of reporters instead of just saying what it takes to get ratings. Hudson, the last article you posted was probably the closest thing I’ve heard to that yet. The only possibility I can think of where money changed hands is if someone, on Cam’s behalf, approached an AU representative (without any knowledge by the coaching staff) and arranged payment to sign Cam. Again for reasons outlined above, this simply does not seem feasible. If Cam was paid and the coaches knew about or had anything to do with it, and also knew about the MSU mess, they would be about the dumbest bunch of coaches ever. It would take half a brain to know that if MSU reported such allegations to the SEC and possibly NCAA regarding Cam, it would only be a matter of time before people came knocking on doors at AU’s own athletic department. I find it hard to believe that Chizik and his staff (who have shown nothing but intelligence and class thus far) would be so calloused and stupid as to blatantly walk into a situation they KNEW would come back to wipe out anything they accomplished this season and probably cost them far more than that in the long run. In short, I don’t think AU or Cam will be implicated in anything. All logic runs counter to there being any wrongdoing on their parts. The question is, how much damage will be done in the meantime while all this gets straightened out.

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